Discussion:
Women-only hotel floors
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Viking
2007-05-21 17:32:31 UTC
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Dustbin
2007-05-22 06:50:29 UTC
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Only seventeen days between posts!

<quote>
When a hotel sets aside a floor and a lounge for
women only, is it discrimination or good business?
</quote>

It is discrimination: if this was done for men
there would not be a question about it. It is
therefore discrimination both to do it and to
even debate it. There should be no debate; as
there would be no debate if it was a men's club.

But, of course, discrimination against men is
okay; not simply from a social point of view,
but also from the point of view of legislation,
Human Rights and the UN charter, which refers to
discrimination against women but never mentions
discrimination against men.

Nor is it good business since a floor with say
10 rooms on it; can be occupied by one female.
six; seven eight, or even nine men can turn up
requesting rooms and be turned away because
there is one single female occupying one whole
floor to herself.

Also will men be charged the same even though
they don't have access to the lounge facilities.

Also what if in the above scenario, there was a
serious failure in a room occupied by a man and
the only available rooms (to which he might be
moved) where on the women only floor?

Also, if it is good business it is proving to be
good business to employ male only staff due to
all the favouritism and special privileges that
females are getting. If this is good practise
for business then it would be equally sound to
adopt a male only employment policy.

D.
DWACON
2007-05-26 07:26:24 UTC
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Only seventeen days between posts!
<quote>
When a hotel sets aside a floor and a lounge for women only, is it
discrimination or good business?
</quote>
It is discrimination: if this was done for men there would not be a
question about it. It is therefore discrimination both to do it and to
even debate it. There should be no debate; as there would be no debate if
it was a men's club.
But, of course, discrimination against men is okay; not simply from a
social point of view, but also from the point of view of legislation,
Human Rights and the UN charter, which refers to discrimination against
women but never mentions discrimination against men.
Good case for any lawyer that wants to run with it. Any lawyers with free
time and a desire for 15 minutes of fame on board that want to tackle this?
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Viking
2007-05-28 03:42:58 UTC
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Post by DWACON
Good case for any lawyer that wants to run with it. Any lawyers with free
time and a desire for 15 minutes of fame on board that want to tackle this?
They won't win. I remember when we had lawyers to fight Curves
(female-only health clubs). Governor of my state passed a law
exempting it from our litigation. I remember when we had lawyers to
fight Take Your Daughter to Work day as sexist. The Board of Education
said they did not see any sexism. Etc.
Dustbin
2007-05-31 10:54:59 UTC
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Post by DWACON
Good case for any lawyer that wants to run with it. Any lawyers with free
time and a desire for 15 minutes of fame on board that want to tackle this?
They won't win. I remember when we had lawyers to fight Curves
(female-only health clubs). Governor of my state passed a law
exempting it from our litigation. I remember when we had lawyers to
fight Take Your Daughter to Work day as sexist. The Board of Education
said they did not see any sexism. Etc.
Well, sorry for a late response. I get s.m.m via
killfile.org and there seem to have been some
problems for a few days; I was getting constant
timeouts.

Unfortunately being sexist *against* men is not
sexist. The UN declaration is a declaration
against discrimination against women; not
against men. See:

http://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/cedaw/

<quote>
The Convention on the Elimination of All Forms
of Discrimination against Women (CEDAW), adopted
in 1979 by the UN General Assembly, is often
described as an international bill of rights for
women. Consisting of a preamble and 30 articles,
it defines what constitutes discrimination
against women and sets up an agenda for national
action to end such discrimination.
</quote>

Hence men don't count. Same with UK law; aspects
of that include the word(s) women; female; etc.,
making it discriminatory in itself. Likewise the
VAWA (nuff said).

D.

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